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Hyperspace Cores - more random weirdness
zenprime
Okay more from the left field department of my brain.

What exactly is the differance between the Great Hyperspaces cores, and ones used by the Hiigaran navy today?
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Glacialis
Long Jumpers have very long range, and very great accuracy -- they can also support a huge number of ships in transit. Otherwise, you're limited to very short, very accurate jumps or somewhat long but hugely inaccurate jumps. So the Long Jumpers could jump...what, halfway across the galaxy in one go? But for everyone else, it's a good idea to jump a little, stop, get your bearings, repeat.
 
zenprime
Alright, but what has stopped the Hiigarans or anyone else from constructing another Great Core?
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ScarleTomato
The patent
Edited by ScarleTomato on 01-11-2005 20:34
 
DarkShaman
I believe that supposedly no one could make a good replica of the original cores. Of course, given that they have what, three cores? They should beable to make more. Even if they weren't prefect, it could still work.
 
zenprime
That's where I'm head scratching. Hyperspace tech was reverse engineered from the Great Cores in some cases (Kushan at least). It's not a case of energy requirements or computer power as the pre-exile hiigarans found one and pressed it into service ASAP. So what makes a great core so different from a standard one that allows it such abilities beyond them.

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Or just maybe that's it. Despite all attempts to create a 1:1 copy of the Great Cores, no one has so far. (Hiigarans, Bentusi, Vaygr) No matter how far one was took apart, probed and replicated, something is still missing from the copy that the original contains.
Edited by zenprime on 01-11-2005 21:40
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ScarleTomato
Well, you can't take sand from the beach and produce a laptop computer. You must first fashion primitive tools, to make better tools, to perfect more precise tools. This process takes time. I'm sure it takes even more to produce a Hyperspace core.
Also think about giving someone from ancient rome this laptop. Even with a charged battery, he couldn't begin to fathom how the thing works.
I'm willing to bet the technological gap between Hiigaran and Progenitor is vastly greater than a spear and a circuitboard.
Edited by ScarleTomato on 01-11-2005 21:55
 
Inert
Ah... I like these discussions.

Okay, so first a far jumper is a hyperspace core, one of three, that was made by Sajuuk. It allows you to jump 2500 light years in one go. Takes 10 minutes to charge a jump. It is not accurate, but most things aren't.

The ones used by the HGN, or short jumpers, allow for tactical hyperspace jumps within... well, hasn't been defined. But it is incredibly shorter then the far jumpers, and usually do not take time to recharge.

It is possible to make a copy of the hyperspace core, as the Kushans have done, but now Karen has fled the galaxy and you are left with... no core.

No original means no copy.
 
Glacialis
Where is this data coming from? 2500 sounds reasonable, but did we decide on that? 10 minutes or so also sounds reasonable from what I recall of the games. The disadvantages of the short jumpers are pretty consistant: shorter range, much less accurate, can't bring that many ships with you. ANY core allows for tactical hyperspace jumps.

The HGN had about a century to study their core, and the advances in hyperspace tech that are ongoing are probably the result of data gathered on the great core while they had it.
 
Inert
2500 light years comes from the HW1 hand book, 10 minutes from mission 7 "veil of fire" where the oracle jumps every 10 minutes.

Granted the far jumper allows tactical hyperspace jumps, but I meant hyperspace during battles in order to get into position fast.
 
zenprime

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It is possible to make a copy of the hyperspace core, as the Kushans have done, but now Karen has fled the galaxy and you are left with... no core.

No original means no copy.


So they have a copy of the Far jumper? Or do you just mean the short jumpers? I know Karen fled the with cores.

All this hurts my brain sometimes Banghead Though I am finding this all very helpful.
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Glacialis
No far jumpers, and no copies of them Smile.

Thanks for the reference Inert -- I knew that number had been floating around for a while but was unaware of its source.
 
Mostly harmless
When a ship is jumped from position to another is the ships velocity the same on exit as on entry?
I was just thinking that if a ship is in orbit of a planet it will be travelling at a high speed around a sun almost unknowingly. It will also need to get to this speed to jump into orbit?
 
maw3194

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Inert wrote:
It is possible to make a copy of the hyperspace core, as the Kushans have done, but now Karen has fled the galaxy and you are left with... no core.

No original means no copy.

I do not think they did make a copy of the core, they made a new housing for the core from the Khar-Toba and used the core from it, the core that was put in the Pride of Hiigara is the same one that was taken from the Khar-Toba, I'd like to know more about this copied core.
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Sun Tzu
zenprime wrote:

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All this hurts my brain sometimes


Think this way: imagine that you give a modern car to mid-1800's engineers. They will be able to produce automotives by reverse-engineering, but far less efficient because they don't have the scientific and technologic background to analyze or re-engineer all parts of the car (in-board computer or modern materials).
 
DarkShaman
Oh, well if Karen took the cores and left, then it certainly is understandable that they don't have an exact replica. I never finished th camaign- PDS was calling. Grin
 
zenprime
Sun Tzu, I wasn't talking about the core business, just this sort of stuff in general.

Though your comment is extemely helpful.

So any ideas what the Hiigarans would understand completly, and what ther might still be left to discoverer more about in a Hyperspace core?
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Glacialis
They can't jump galaxies. They can't even construct the sorts of gates the Bentusi used to leave in HWC. That's a long way to go Smile. Also consider the information learned in the last mission of the HW2 Ascension campaign...
 
Inert
maw3194, you are incorrect. They not only copied the core from the Khar Toba, they enlarged it ten fold as well. It is written so in the HW1 manual.
 
MarieHawke
Yes, but IIRC the History of Hiigara directly contradicts this by saying that they merely expanded the housing to fit, that the core itself was powerful enough.
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