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Singularitys: how much the hiigarian can manipulate they?
enterprise
i see some type of singularity based devices in homeworld universe:
in homeworld 1 and cataclysm i see the first type of primitive use in the disposable gravitational generator use for trap fighter and corvette.
in homeworld 2 this type of devices are used to make small hyperspace inhibitor that destroy all quantum wawes and allow our shipyard to save from ambushes.
but what about singularity based weapon?
tractors beams to capturate fighters and corvettes.
or warhead that were hit the target generate for few instants a singularity that deform ship's hull?
please don't call me erethic :shy:
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Glacialis
By singularity, I think you mean gravity manipulation Smile. At this point, the only use of the technology we see is artificial gravity onboard starships. I don't recall the details right now, but I think there was a discussion on it and it was determined that they're not feasible. Oh, almost forgot...gravitic propulsion used in some fighters. I'd say that gravity manipulation is in its basic stages right now.
 
enterprise
but is impossible make a warhead with a very significant mass in suspension into hyperspace and when near to detonate the mass immediatly re-enter normal space, the huge mass in little space create a singularity that absorb all the thing around it, the only problem is: the singularity remain or collapse?
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Glacialis
Mmm, hyperspace tech isn't advanced enough to "suspend" something in hyperspace. If so -- similar to the tech in Alpha Centauri/Alien Crossfire that lets you put mega amounts of stuff in rocket warheads -- we would be able to do a LOT more with missiles and craft of all kinds!

HW universe tech isn't advanced enough to create material that dense yet, nor are they that good at manipulating gravity.
 
Berrik
More to the point, the HW2 engine does not support gravity at all as far as I know, except with reference to FTLi modules.
 
enterprise
if we insert this type of weapon we need only a warhead that when hit the hull generate an effect similar to concussion missiles. no complicated special effect.
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Glacialis
The amount of mass it would take to create a singularity is far, far beyond what a mere starship of the Homeworld universe can carry. The mass of a star is not to be taken lightly. :thumbs:
 
enterprise
you are wrong, the problem is not the mass but the density, nowadays in the particle's accelerator sometime very little singularity create but immediately collapse.
if is bossible generate a singualrity even if very little there is no problem because the ship's hull will feed the singularity with matter.
i think that this type of black hole has very short life but if the life increase with the mass i am sure that before singularity's collapse the ship hull will be very corrupted...
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Berrik
Enterprise, why do you think HW2 tech is in any way as advanced as Star Trek tech? Because, it's, um, not.

A black hole of sufficient size to suck in more than a few atoms at a time (eg, one large enough to be actually useful as a weapon) would have sufficient tidal forces and emit sufficient radiation to quite effectively kill every living thing in the area of your standard Homeworld 2 map and reduce all the ships therein to junk.
 
Glacialis
Even one about the size of an electron still has the mass of a mountain.
 
Inert
As dense as your atom may be, you still need a considerable amount of mass. Granted it does have to be dense, at least more then a gas, but density is not the driving factor of a black hole, mass is.
Edited by Inert on 14-11-2005 01:10
 
BigFish

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As dense as your atom may be
The density of atoms is fixed (more or less). they can only be heavier or lighter than each other. only the extreme conditions in a singularity can bypass this rule

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but density is not the driving factor of a black hole, mass is.
Mass = gravity = density. It doesnt matter what a blackhole starts life as, as it becomes an object of near infinate mass and density when it becomes a singularity
Edited by BigFish on 14-11-2005 01:23
 
Nemmerle
If we can generate an artificial gravity field on warships it stands to reason that the system is somehow independant of mass, (the mass required to generate the same gravity field of a tera-compatible planet would be rather -- massive.) The warship obviously does not posses anywhere near the power that would be required to generate a self sustaining singularity, nor does the target have sufficient mass to colapse into whatever singularity the weapon could create and thus stop the singularity from evaporating. At best you could maybe use a gravity wave device to hit other ships hulls in the same way as a kinetic round. This would have the advantage of being a new, and thus unplanned for, weapon's system but would have the disadvantage of requiring a large power output from the warship.
 
Glacialis
It's also possible that such a weapon system could be rendered totally ineffective by the defender's own artificial gravity systems.

I was going to say "inert" instead of "ineffective", but I don't know how to render him. Grin
Edited by Glacialis on 14-11-2005 11:40
 
enterprise
in nature i say that the problem is the mass but if a some type of detonator can generate a kind of implosion wawe i think that is possible generate a short life singularity. the singularity will disappear immediately but the gravimetic wawe will damage ship's hull and hurt the crew
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Glacialis
Gravity manipulation is not nearly that advanced at this point in the HW univese.
 
enterprise
you think?
how function the hyperspace inhibitor?
it generate a gravity well or not?
the difference is create a similar gravity well in a very little space.
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Nemmerle
A singularity is orders of control and magnitude beyond what the grav-well and hyperspace technology has demonstrated itself capable of at this point in time. If you can generate a gravity well it does not follow that you can generate a singularity and then direct it as a weapon.
 
enterprise
mumble mumble.....
for example the liirha cruiser was a secret project, until we see it in action anyone can immagine that a similar powerfull and manouvrable ship was possible.
and for the repulsion wawe used by the taidan's republic?
there isn't a possibilty of a secret research about this type of tecnology?
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Inert
@enterprise, if your blackhole does not live beyond the first 2 seconds it'll never live. Mass does not keep a blackhole alive. Whatever is keeping your blackhole alive obviously dies out almost immediately.
 
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