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Defense Drones.
FinalSeraphim
This is a discussion for a Weapon system I seen on a really cool Sci-Fi set anime, "Crest of the Stars" I have watched this show for some time and was very intrigued by their "mines" that they utilized.

The mine in the show would be launched by the ship, perhaps a maximum of 10, the mines would take up positions around the ship providing small arms cover and ofcourse deterring nearby ships from drawing too close.

Now, the mines in the show would track targets and destroy them when targetted so I do understand how this idea has some flaws with pds, BUT.. remember the Shield drones from hw:C? 12 of them would merge to form a defensive net around a ship? Perhaps an idea like that could bring back the whole shields idea from the Cataclysm era. Small medium powered Defense drones that could act as Strike craft deterrant for larger ships. Imagine the Majiiran PCA bb with a group of 12 Sentinel II's that are armed with small 100mm SRAM and two 50mm ACs to deter strike craft. IT'd make sense for the hiigarans to continue making small expendable defenses to keep their prized capitol ships from getting the blunt of the damage.
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Jokr
I really don't see this working. If they are designed to take out strike craft, that is going to make them obselete. A new ship will have to be re/designed to take the drones on. In cataclysm they only ofered protection from munitions, I put them around my MS and the CPU is to stupid to attack the drones so my MS never takes any damage. When they do attack the drones, they never did any damage (glitch maybe). If there mines, will they attack strike craft, or just larger vessels. Small vessels would disintegrate with only one or two hits simply because the damage they would need to do to the larger vessels would have to be great enough to do any good. Maybe I don't know what I'm saying. Just my 0.02 though.
 
FinalSeraphim
(In response to Jokrs Post in proposed ideas,

You are correct that Defense drones would limit strike craft capabilities but if so thanks for addressing this early on. Doing this would require a player to actually control direction during a battle, kindof like in those games where you're told in your cockpit. "You need to hit the shield generator!" except you'd be the guy telling the pilots that. lol

The shields wouldn't be overly powerful and ofcourse they'd be later on tech, rather than just pump them out at the start and enjoy.. It'd limit but not destroy fighter tactics, it'd get people more into the combined arms tactics..

you have a Fleet of one carrier, six frigates and four wings of bombers and fighters, why waste your frigates on an unshielded target. you can attack with strikecraft while leaving your frigates to defend your carrier. Lets say it IS shielded. Your frigates would easily take down the shield and allow your strike craft you angage but in turn you may lose your frigates and that ship might not be alone, your carrier is overran and killed. It'd prompt people to actually think out tactics rather than just press A anywhere on the field. lol.
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FinalSeraphim
And ofcourse the fighters could take down the shields, but by the time they do, they wont be very effective. Sorry for not putting this in the first post.

Also, they wouldn't exactly be mines, I was just using the idea from that show, because they were mines. They didn't create shields though, they just fired at targets and went to blow them up with a suicide if they drew too close.
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Jokr
That makes a little more sense. I like the idea, honest, I just had a hard time seeing how it could be balanced. But if the frigates can destroy the drones while the strike craft protect the carrier, and then the strike craft move in and the frigates back to the carrier once the drones are gone, that could be feasable...
 
Komo val
Shield drones ???? No

I remember Cata, you could easily take out a drone with concentrated fire, than just vector your attack trough that gap. Besides it was also unrealistic. You would need a very large generator to project a defense field, those little buggers simply don't have the power.

HOWEVER armed ''satellites'' would be nice, although they'd be quite vulnerable to enemy fighter since they would be static (placed above the power transmitor on the mothership--- in game terms you can't make guarding ships rotate) They would have superior stealth though.

This would require heavy modifications on the hive script, as well as on some other things (new unit caps, modifying existing ships etc.)
 
acelynham
nah, come on the Hiigs are already overpowered. if a cap gets killed you just build another, simple!
 
Twitch
don't hiigs/vagyr already have "armed satellites" - the weapons platforms?
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FinalSeraphim
See, that's what I wanna get away from, "build another" is just cheap and easy.. Kindof gets rid of the realism.. What if you can't requisition more than one ship, like in real life.. If in modern times we could just mass ten Carrier Enterprise we'd be called hackers by most muslim nations, this however hasn't come to pass..

And Twitch, armored sattilites are different then ship defenders.. Armored sattilities are Static defenses, where as SD's would follow/Orbit a ship its tagged to defend.
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Twitch
okay, i get it. so the SDs are like the drones in HW? interesting.

but what would the SD's model look like? are we going to resurrect those infiltrator pod "gun drones" from v 5.something?
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acelynham
yeah but its still an rts, not a perfect fleet sim... and losses are gonna be taken. so you build more stuff
 
Sir T
Remember in cataclysm the Sentries primary role aside from the shield (in fact you can field them long before you can generate the shield) is what you describe. slow moving escort guns for ships.

Unfortunately no one used them for that as they were, to be frank, utter shite. Thei could not manuver and were picked off en mass by fighters and even capital ion beans had a field day with them
 
TelQuessir
The rationale behind V11's powerful long range strategic interceptors...
 
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